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Ansar Raza Vs Akbar Chaudhry- Debate

From: "Akber A. Choudhry"
Date: January 22, 2013, 3:44:27 AM EST
To: Mushtaq A Malik

Subject: Re: Ahmediyya Cult - give up your kufr.

Yes, I knew Ansar Raza's strategy when I debated him. No verse of the Quran points to prophets after Muhammad(saw). When past events are described, they do refer to the future - but such is the beauty of the Quran, that they cannot be used in the Islamic context.

Like the logical contortion 'Can God create a rock that He cannot lift (nauoozu billah)', Ansar Raza is using a similar fallacy 'you must believe in the continuation of prophethood before I discuss Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim'. Well done!

You know what - not even Ahmadis believe in the continuation of prophethood - they only believe in ONE more - their 'khatam' - Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. This was the strategy I took successfully in my debate

Ansar Raza has been prohibited from debating with me again. On three occasions, he cancelled meetings in Toronto with gullible Muslims when he knew that A.K. Shaikh or I would be there.

I openly invite him to debate me at any time, any where. Why does he only pick on gullible people? Or is that whole story of Ahmadiyyat - which picked on semi-literate Punjabi people and made them 'chosen' ? :)

Regards,
Akber

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Then Ansar Raza Responded
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From: Ansar Raza
To: Akber A. Choudhry"



اکبر چوہدری! تم اس واقعہ کے متعلق جھوٹ بولتے ہو جسے سینکڑوں لوگ یو ٹیوب پر سُن چکے ہیں۔ تمہاری ایک ذلت پر (جب تم سرعام مکر گئے تھے کہ تم نے نہیں کہا کہ نبوت رحمت نہیں ہے اور حاضرین نے ہاتھ کھڑے کرکے کہا تھا کہ تم نے ابھی ابھی یہ کہا ہے) وہیں اے کے شیخ نے ہنستے ہوئے میرے کان میں کہا تھا ’’وچارے نو پُٹھی پے گئی اے‘‘۔ پھر مباحثہ کے بعد تم نے اپنی زبان سے اعتراف شکست کرتے ہوئےمجھے کہا تھا کہ جو میں تیاری کرکے آیا تھا وہ تو تم نے مجھے بولنےہی نہیں دیا۔ جھوٹ بولنے والے پر اللہ تعالیٰ، فرشتوں اور سارے انسانوں کی لعنت! تمہاری دہادری کا یہ عالم ہے کہ اس ای میل کی فہرست میں سے میرا نام ہی نکال دیا کہ کہیں میں تمہارے پول مزید نہ کھولوں اور تمہیں مزید ذلیل نہ کروں لیکن تم نہیں جانتے کہ جو ذلت تمہارے مقدر میں ہے وہ تمہیں مل کے رہے گی تم جہاں مرضی جا کر چھپ جاؤ۔
ساڑھے تین گھنٹہ کے آڈیو میں تمہارے پول جس طرح کھلے ہیں اسے سارا زمانہ جانتا ہے۔ تم نے اور اے کے شیخ نے ایڈٹ کرکے یوٹیوب پر چھ اقساط میں ویڈیو ڈال کر اپنے جھوٹے ہونے کا ثبوت اپنے ہاتھ سے فراہم کردیا۔ باقی رہا تم سے مباحثہ کرنے کا معاملہ تو قرآن کریم جاہلوں سے بات کرنے سے منع کرتا ہے۔ ہمت ہے تو کسی عالم کو لاؤ۔ وہ میرے سامنے بیٹھ کر مناظرہ کی تفصیلات طے کرلے اور مناظرہ کرلے۔لیکن تم بھی اور اے کے شیخ بھی جانتا ہے کہ کسی عالم میں اتنی ہمت نہیں کہ جماعت احمدیہ کے کسی عالم سے بات کرے۔
مشتاق ملک صاحب۔ میثاق النبیین والی آیت میں دو گروہوں کا ذکر کیا گیا ہے۔ ایک وہ جس کو کتاب اور حکمت ملتی ہے اور دوسرا وہ جو اس کی تصدیق کرتا ہے۔ حضرت موسیٰ علیہ السلام کو کتاب اور حکمت ملی اور حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ السلام نے اس کی تصدیق کی۔ پھر نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کو کتاب اور حکمت ملی تو سیدنا مسیح موعود علیہ السلام نے اس کی تصدیق کی۔نہ حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ السلام کو کتاب و حکمت ملی نہ سیدنا مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کو۔ لہٰذا ان کے بعد ان کا مصدق رسول آنے کی ضرورت نہیں۔
اب باقی رہی یہ بات کہ تیرہ سو سال بعد مصدق نبی کیوں آیا تو نبی ضرورت کے وقت آیا کرتا ہے۔ حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ السلام بھی حضرت موسیٰ علیہ السلام کے تیرہ سو سال بعد آئے۔ اور انہوں نے اپنے بعد نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے آنے کی بشارت دی جو اُن کے چھ سو سال بعد آئے۔ ان چھ سو سالوں میں کئی مشتاق ملک ہوں گے جو کہتے ہوں گے کہ ابھی تک وہ ’’احمد ‘‘ کیوں نہیں آیا اور جب آگیا تو کئی اور مشتاق ملک ہوں گے جو کہتے ہوں گے کہ چھ سو سال بعد کیوں آیا پہلے کیوں نہیں آیا۔ اسی طرح حضرت ابراہیم علیہ ا لسلام نے امیوں میں ایک رسول مبعوث ہونے کی دعا کی جو ان پر تلاوت آیات کرے انہیں پاکیزہ کرے اور انہیں کتاب و حکمت کی تعلیم دے لیکن ایسا نبی یعنی رسول کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم اس دعا کے چار ہزار سال بعد تشریف لائے۔ نبیوں اور رسولوں کا آنا اللہ تعالیٰ کی مرضی، حکمت اور ارادہ سے ہوتا ہے مشتاق ملک کی مرضی سے نہیں۔

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Death of Jesus - Evidences from Holy Quran

8 Evidences From Holy Quran about death of Jesus
The first disputed issue between the Ahmadiyya Community and the general body of the rest of the Muslims relates to the death of Jesus. The average Muslim believes that Jesus is alive in heaven with his physical body. But members of the Ahmadiyya Community, and also Muslim research scholars, believe that, like other prophets, Jesus too has died.
The Holy Quran emphatically proves that Jesus has passed away like other mortal human beings, and is no longer alive anywhere. It clearly states that Jesus possessed only human characteristics, and was in no way divine, but a servant of God and His messenger. From birth to death, he was subject to all the physical and biological limitations that God has devised for human beings.
First Evidence: All Human Beings Live and Die in this World:

Prophets belong to the human race, and they are, therefore, subject to the eternal Divine law that human beings live and die in this world. The Quran states:

1. "Therein (i.e. on the earth or physical world) shall you live, and therein shall you die, and therefrom shall you be raised" (7:25). 2. "And there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision" (7:24).
3. "Have We not made the earth draw to itself the living and the dead" (77:25, 26).
4. "From it (i.e. the earth) We created you, and into it We shall return you, and from it raise you a second time" (20:55).

In these verses, God has set forth His law that all men shall live their lives, with their physical bodies, in earth. Furthermore, it is opposed to the Divine law, according to which prophets have to bear persecution here on earth, that Jesus should be raised up to heaven when he was opposed by the Jews. His supposed physical life in heaven for two thousand years without food or drink is also opposed to the Divine law expressed in the above verses.
Second Evidence: Physical Life Depends on Food and Drink:

God has described His law, applicable not only to ordinary people but to all prophets as well, that life depends on food and drink:

1. "We did not send before you (O Muhammad) any messengers but they surely ate food" (25:20). 2. "We did not give them (i.e. the prophets) bodies not eating food" (21:8).

Of Jesus and his righteous mother, it is stated: "They both used to eat food" (5:7). So if Jesus no longer eats food - all Muslims hold that he does not eat food in heaven - he cannot, by the Divine law stated above, be alive with his physical body. The body requires food, so Jesus no longer eating food must be dead.
Third Evidence: Human Body Suffers Ravages of Time:

There is not a single human body in the world which is impervious to change. The living body is necessarily changing all the time. The Quran states:

1. "And We granted abiding for ever (Khuld) to no mortal before you (O Muhammad). If you die, will they abide (Khalidun)" (21:34). 2. "They (i.e. the prophets) did not abide for ever (Khalidin)" (21:8).

As regards the meaning of the word Khulud (translated above as abiding for ever), the famous Quranic dictionary of lmam Raghib explains:

"Khulud is that a thing be immune from decay, and that it endures in an unchanging condition. The Arabs call such a thing Khuld ... i.e., to persist in one condition, not being subject to change" (pp. 153,154).

According to Arabic lexicology, therefore, Khulud signifies persistence in one and the same state, with no change or decay taking place. In the verses above, a Divine law has seen explained under which every person is affected by the passage of time. He is first a child, then an adult, then old, and finally he dies. This is corroborated by many other verses, for example:

1. "Allah is He Who created you from a state of weakness, then gave you strength after weakness, then ordained weakness and hoary hair after strength" (30:54). 2. "Of you is he who is brought back to the worst part of life (i.e. old age), so that after knowledge he knows nothing" (22:5).
3. "And whomsoever We cause to live long, We reduce to an abject state in creation. Do they not understand" (36:68).

A general law of God has seen described here, to which no human being is an exception. From being a child, a person develops physically to attain his fullest development. After that he begins to decline and ultimately reaches his ‘second childhood’ when he loses all his former attainments.
If, for the sake of argument, Jesus were to return to this world, he would be about 2000 years of age, and hence, according to the above Divine law, too old to be capable of doing anything at all. In fact, it is certain that, under this law, Jesus died a very long time ago.
Fourth Evidence: Death of all Prophets:

1. "The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; messengers before him had indeed passed away" (5:75). 2. "And Muhammad is but a messenger - messengers have already passed away before him. If, then, he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels?" (3:143).

The second verse here explains the first one. Both verses are similarly worded, the first referring to Jesus, and the second to the Holy Prophet Muhammad. The Quran's verdict here is very clear for a truth-seeker. The first verse explicitly states that all prophets before Jesus had died - and all Muslims accept this. In the second verse, the same words are used to state that all prophets before the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had died. In fact, since no prophet arose between Jesus and the Holy Prophet, the second verse could only have been revealed specifically to show that Jesus had died. Classical works of Arabic grammar tell us that, owing to the prefix al (the), the word messengers (al-rusul, lit. "the messengers") in the above two verses really means all messengers (see Bahr al-Muhit, vol. 3, p. 68).
Meaning of Khala:

It should be remembered that the word Khala (translated above as "passed away") in the past tense without an article, when used about human beings, refers to their death. (See Lisan al-Arab and Aqrab al-Mawarad). In the Quran too, whenever the words qad khalat without the particle ila are used about any persons, the meaning is that they passed away and died, and will not return to this world. For instance:

1. "Those are a people that have passed away (qad Khalat)" (2:134). 2. "... before which other nations have passed away (qad Khalat)" (13:30).
3. "... among nations that have passed away (qad Khalat) before them" (46:18).
4. "Such has been the way of Allah with those who have passed away (Khalat) before" (33:38).

In interpreting the two verses about all prophets before Jesus and the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) having passed away, the commentators have generally adopted the same meaning:

"The Holy Prophet would leave the world as had done previous prophets, by natural death or murder" (Qanwa `ata Baidawi, vol. 3, p. 124).

In fact, the above verse about the Holy Prophet (3:143) itself clarifies the meaning of Khala (passing away of all previous prophets) by using the words "if he dies or is killed" with regard to him. Obviously, the "passing away" of all previous prophets must also be one or other of "dying" or "being killed."
Fifth Evidence: All "Gods" are Dead:

All those who were taken to be gods besides the One God are described by the Quran as "dead":

"And those whom they call on besides Allah created nothing, while they are themselves created. Dead (are they), not living. And they know not when they will be raised" (16:20-21). And as to Jesus being taken for a god, the Quran itself bears witness: "Certainly they disbelieve who say: ‘Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Mary’" (5:72).

‘These verses prove conclusively that Jesus, who is taken to be ‘god’ by a large section of mankind and is called by them "Lord Jesus", must have been dead when these verses were revealed. Otherwise, this exception would have been mentioned here.
After amwaat ("Dead (are they)"), the words ghairu ahyaa'u ("not living") clarify the matter absolutely, and re-affirm the death of these "gods".
Sixth Evidence: Jesus' Second Coming Contradicts Finality of Prophethood:

Jesus' coming again into this world would infringe the principle of the Finality of Prophethood because the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the last and final prophet according to that principle. The Quran says: "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of God and the last of the prophets" (33:40).
The Holy Prophet's being the last prophet (Khatam an-nabiyyin) necessitates that after him there should not appear any prophet, neither a new one nor a former one. Just as the coming of a fresh prophet would infringe the Finality of Prophethood, so would the appearance of a former prophet, because the Last Prophet is the one who appears after all other prophets. If Jesus comes after the Holy Prophet, he (Jesus) would be the Last Prophet, the Khatam an-nabiyyain.
It is wrong to argue that, in his supposed second coming, Jesus would not be a prophet (nabi). For the Quran says: "Jesus said: I am a servant of God; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet, and made me blessed wherever I may be" (19:30, 31). So, were he to return to this world he would still be a prophet. His coming without prophethood would be meaningless, for the task of leadership of the Muslims (Immah) and successorship to the Holy Prophet (Khilafah) could be performed by a member of the Muslim community.
Hence it stands proved that Jesus died, as did all other prophets, and that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Last Prophet.
Seventh Evidence: Holy Quran Specifically Mentions Jesus' Death:

Having explained so many general principles on the subject of life and death, it was not necessary that the Holy Quran should speak specifically of the death of Jesus. Nevertheless, Almighty Allah has particularly mentioned Jesus' death in the Quran. When the Jews succeeded in their plans to have Jesus sentenced to crucifixion, he prayed to God to be delivered from this fate, and was answered by Him thus:

"O Jesus, I will cause you to die, and exalt you to My presence, and clear you of those who disbelieve, and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve till the day of Judgement" (3:54).

Here God made with Jesus four promises:

i. "Cause you to die" (tawaffa), i.e., Jesus would not be killed by the Jews, but would die a natural death. ii. "Exalt you in My presence" (raf'a), i.e., he would not be crucified, which the Jews sought to do to prove him accused, but rather he would receive Divine nearness.
iii. "Clear you of those who disbelieve" (tathir), i.e., he would be cleared of the Jews' allegations against him, as he was by the Holy Prophet Muhammad.
iv. "Make those who follow you above those who disbelieve till the day of Judgement", i.e., his followers would ever have the upper hand over his rejecters.

The above verse proves that Jesus has died, for raf'a (exaltation to God's presence) is attained only after death when all the material veils have been removed. Every righteous person is granted raf'a to God after his death. The Holy Prophet has said: "When a believer nears death, angels come to him. So, if he is righteous, they say: `O pure soul! leave, you were in a pure body' ... So that pure soul comes out, then they take it to the heavens and its gates are opened for it" (Mishkat).
Hence, whenever a righteous individual dies, the angels take his soul up to heaven. The very same happened in Jesus' case, so that after his death his soul was raised to heaven, and he joined the ranks of the righteous among the dead.
Thus God fulfilled all the above promises in order: He rescued Jesus from the hands of the Jews, and eventually granted him a natural death; after his death, God honoured his soul with Divine nearness; He cleared him of the Jews' allegation against him through the Holy Prophet Muhammad; (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and He gave Jesus' followers the upper hand over his rejecters.
Eighth Evidence: Christians went Astray after Jesus' Death:

Jesus' statement, on the Day of Judgement, that his people made him a "god" after his death, is thus recorded in the Holy Quran:

"And when God will say: `O Jesus, did you say to men, "Take me and my mother for two gods besides God"?' He will reply: `Glory be to Thee! it was not for me to say what I had no right to say. If I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen. I said to them naught save as Thou didst command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord."; and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die Thou wast the Watcher over them. And Thou art Witness of all things' " (5:116, 117).

This extract proves the following:

i. Jesus shall deny preaching the erroneous present-day Christian doctrine of his divinity; ii. He shall confirm the teaching he actually gave to his people;
iii. So long as Jesus was among his people, his followers held the current beliefs;
iv. It was after Jesus' tawaffa (translated above as 'Thou didst cause me to die') that their beliefs became corrupted.

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